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MAC OS Ventura (13) Java Install for jOrgan___By Marc-Paul___Newest post on 2023-03-21
MIDI Help___By Tony Gleeson__Most recent post on 2023-03-12_ ___4 replies
Starting over___ By Brian Sweetnam on 2023-03-07
Using a tablet as a touchscreen monitor___By Graham Wykes ___MMost recent post on 2023-03-01___1 reply
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jOrgan disposition-proprietary MIDI file to Music XML conversion___By John Beach___Most recent post on 2023-02-02___4 replies
Program to scan a keyboard___By Freeman Gilmore___Most recent post on 2023-02-02___1 reply
Fluidsynth Mapping of Ranks and Presets in Soundfonts___By Ken Knollman___Most recent post on 2023-02-01___7 replies
Improving reverb jOrgan and Windows 11___By Kevin J King___Most recent post on 2023-01-30___1 reply
Midi Device Detection___By Arun herberts___Most recent post on 2023-01-25___11 replies
No midi device showing jOrgan Pup distro___By Kevin J King___Most recent post 2023-01-25___7 replies
Introduction and thanks___By Tony Gleeson__Most recent post on 2023-01-20_ ___10 replies
From JohnR
This website has been created to make it easier for internet users to discover jOrgan and to start using it. Its main pages are HOME, STARTING, ADDING, GALLERY, F.A.Q., THIS SITE and CONTACT.
The web address is https://jorgan.info
JohnR
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From T Gleeson on 2023-01-16 02:03
Hi,
Just joined the mailing list and wanted to say hello and a BIG thankyou.
I had what must have been a prototype pipe organ sample thing years ago and
lost it. I've been trawling the internet for it ever since and then came
across jOrgan purely by chance.
The organs are absolutely fantastic and give me the shivers when I play them!!
The interface is also quite impressive with the stops clearly labelled and the
ability to store presets – brilliant!!!
I am not much of a keyboard player but can knock out a few hymns when I'm asked
to at the local church (which has its own 2 manual pipe organ but which sounds
a bit dull).
I am hoping I can set up the jOrgan player to be able to record in Studio One –
I'm getting a signal into my interface, the midi records on the track but the
organ doesn't sound on playback so I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions?
This is so I can 'tweak' my performances before playing to the congregation.
So thanks again for the amazing instruments – you never know I may become an
organist yet!!
Kind regards,
Tony
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From Chester Berry on 2023-01-16 02:52
Tony,
Welcome to the list! I'm so glad to hear that you are finding much of value here.
I wonder sometimes how long we will have ANY of the current digital organ builders
with us, when people can build their own, and create exactly what they want with
the tools Sven Meier has provided in jOrgan.
Very best wishes and warmest welcome!
/s/Chester H Berry
Salt Lake City, UTAH, USA
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-01-16 04:03
Hi Tony...
...it would be helpful to us to know if you are using a PC or a Mac
and what OS.
If I understand your issue correctly... you wish to record in Studio One and then
play it back to jOrgan. So you need to hear jOrgan as you are recording... which
means that you can then edit your midi tracks and also playback to jOrgan. The
midi chain would be midi controller, sequencer, jOrgan.
You may have to use loopMIDI or rptMIDI to make that happen... depending
on your computer OS. Both are free from https://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software.html.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From Ton- Gle on 2023-01-16 04:08
Hi Marc-Paul,
Yes that's it exactly. Basically I want to record jOrgan in S1 using a midi keyboard.
Should have said I'm using PC, S1 Artist 5, Windows 11 i7 16gb RAM.
Hope that helps.
Thanks,
Tony
Kind regards,
Tony Gleeson
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From JohnR on 2023-01-16 08:26
Tony,
It was good to have a new user of jOrgan sending a post to the Mailing List,
and I found it heart-warming to read how appreciative you are of what jOrgan
has to offer.
You don't make it clear whether you are already using the Recorder feature
which jOrgan has. This produces midi files of your own playing and of whatever
stops you are using, with the usual file extension of .mid . However, those
are not altogether standard midi files, and should be regarded as in-house.
They work fully only with jOrgan and probably only if one has the same
disposition loaded as was used to create the file. I know that they can be
edited in a midi editor, although this remark probably does not apply to
changing the information regarding the use of the stops.
One accesses the Recorder by clicking on View > Recorder.
I have given a brief description of the use of the jOrgan Recorder in my
INSTRUCTIONS file ( https://jorgan.info/INSTRUCTIONS.pdf )
Best wishes,
John R
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From Ton- Gle on 2023-01-16 08:48
Hello John,
Thanks for the info.
I've had a long fascination with and appreciation of organ music. Goes back
to having an amazingly good (to my ears) organ and player at the church I went to
as a kid. That kind of stuff stays with you.
Have often been to recitals and been in awe of what organists do.
Guitar was my first instrument though self taught and only got into keyboards when
at college...so a little too late! Went through the usual stages of being in
bands etc.
Now I try to play too many instruments but enjoy the learning process (my latest
project being melodeon lol).
I've only had a quick look at the recorder which would require me to be much more
adept at playing than I currently am. So I plan on recording in my Presonus Studio
One DAW giving me the ability to record parts to tracks individually when the
technical side is beyond me. Someone here suggested midilooper (?) as a mediator
between jOrgan and my DAW so I'll check that out later this week.
Kind regards,
Tony
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From RickW on 2023-01-16 09:05
Hello Tony, and welcome to jOrgan
You don't say what disposition you are using.
As a couple of members have already responded, there are two ways you can record
MIDI with relation to jOrgan.
One way is to use the inbuilt MIDI recorder function. If it is not shown on the
particular disposition you are using, it can be added.
The major benefit of using this method is that registration changes made by
touch-screen, mouse or computer keyboard are also recorded and therefore reproduced
in the MIDI file.
The other way is to use an external (hardware or software) MIDI sequencer/recorder,
and capture the MIDI exactly as it is being fed into jOrgan.
To do this in software, you need to use a virtual (or software) MIDI connection.
MidiYoke, LoopMIDI, LoopBe are options to achieve this.
Let us know what disposition you are using, and based on these descriptions, which
way you would like to proceed and we can help further with specific questions to
get to going.
Regards
Rick.
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From Chris Pearson on 2023-01-17 01:10
Hi, All
Yes, nice to see that there is still an interest in organs, be it VPO or
the real MacCoy.
A warm welcome to you, Tony.
I watched a TV prog a few weeks ago about the number of UK churches closing
and organs being scrapped.
Some are being rescued, restored and then sold abroad.
Pushing 80, I know not how long I will be with you and my hearing is getting
progressively worse, I can hear only up to 4 kHz max. :-(
I have four VPOs which I haven't upload yet to my usual repository on
Mediafire which need a little polishing before I do.
If there is a demand for these I will go ahead with the work.
They are:-
1/. St Martins, Memmingham, Bavaria. (nice recording on YT) Marcel
Lanquetuit - Toccata in D major - Jane Parker-Smith - Organ of St Martin,
Memmingen, Germany - YouTube
2/. A 4 manual in the style of Cavaille-Coll, console based on N.D. de Paris.
3/. A 3 manual in the style of Father Henry Willis.
4/. St John the Divine NYC.
Regards
Chris Pearson
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From Denis on 2023-01-17 02:08
Welcome Tony, I believe you will find the group very helpful in any organ
endeavors you may take on. Glad you joined.
Hi Chris, long time no hear from. OBTW I passed the 80 mark a couple of years
ago - not a lot of fun. The 4 manual Cavaille-Coll looks very interesting. If
I can help in any way, please let me know.
Regards,
Dennis
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-01-17 03:26
Hi Chris...
...thankyou for mentioning the instruments you are working
on. Please consider this note about a hundred thumbs up for
getting those published.
What an incredible gift.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From Bob Brown on 2023-01-20 04:49
On Jan 16, 2023, Chris Pearson wrote: "I have four VPOs which I haven't
upload yet to my usual repository on Mediafire which need a little polishing
before I do. If there is a demand for these I will go ahead with the work.”
Hi Chris
That would be a yes, yes, yes and yes-please from me.
I'm new to the VPO world, but have played several medium sized 3 and 4
manual pipe organs as well as many smaller ones and a good few digitals.
My preference is for 3 manuals and 30 to 50 stops and British voicing,
but your suggestions are all extremely interesting.
All I need now is some free time to turn 3 ex-digital keyboards into a
3 manual stack.
Best wishes
Bob Brown
Perthshire UK_______________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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No midi device showing jOrgan Pup distro
From Kevin J King on 2023-01-23 08:38
Hi,
I used with success an old jOrgan Puppy Linux operating system during the 2020
lock down. Unfortunately the laptop died, so I moved over to Hauptwerk.
However, I've acquired a spare laptop and have installed the jOrgan disto again.
I believe it has about 25 organs, some of which are now obsolete on the 'net.
Everything works (it's jO 3.14) but it will not see my Yamaha keyboard with its
special 5 pin midi interface. The interface is designed especially for Yamaha and
was originally quite expensive. I had to get drivers installed for it to operate
under Hauptwerk on Windows.
On jOrgan, under midi devices it is not shown, I've tried jack control and its
midi ports but again no sign of the midi device. I've also tried another PC and
it exhibits exactly the same behaviour.
Will the midi to USB interface just work as plug and play in Linux, even if it
requires a driver in Windows? I'm stumped - I could I suppose try another midi
keyboard!
Regards Kevin.
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-01-23 12:10
Hello Kevin...
...here's what I would do.
Install Ubuntu Studio on the Laptop. Sven has revised/renewed a version of
jOrgan (better reverb in fluidsynth) that works perfectly.
Then plug in the usb midi interface and see if Ubuntu knows it... my guess
is that it will. It has worked on my old M-Audio firewire interface... of
course that is using a Mac Mini that has Firewire built in.
I spice up Hauptwerk definitions with jOrgan... as well as using it stand alone.
Good-Luck
Marc-Paul
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From Kevin J King on 2023-01-23 18:45
Thanks that sounds like the better solution?
Is there anyway to use the definitions on the jOrgan pup iso? I've expanded
thr image and all I can see is a 600mb .sfs file.
Regards Kevin
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-01-24 02:47
I don't know anything about the pup.
You can install Ubuntu Studio on a flash drive and try it... all the
instructions are on the Ubuntu Studio site along with the free downloads etc.
You could also do a Raspberry Pi. I have my RPi booting from a SSD and it
quite satisfactory with the revised jOrgan... not to mention the OS has
recognized every USB creative sound card I have plugged into it.
Good Luck
Marc-Paul
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From Kevin J King on 2023-01-24 04:23
Thanks,
Now installing Ubuntu Studio! This will be on a Microsoft Surface Pro.
I hope to dual boot it with Windows.
I'll update this discussion when I'm successful.
Regards
Kevin
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From Kevin J King on 2023-01-25 06:54
OK, change of plan. Installed jOrgan 3.21 on my Surface Pro. Works a treat
and detects my midi devices.
However I'm using the Stratman English Cathedral Organ- it's a wonderfully
comprehensive disposition, - but I feel the sound isn't quite as perfect as
I'm used to with hauptwerk. In particular it sounds almost mono instead of
stereo.
Is there anyway I can improve on the audio? The samples themselves are
very convincing.
Many thanks
Kevin_____________
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-01-25 09:49
Hello again Kevin...
...I've been doing research comparing electronics instruments, what I
know about Dolby audio setup and recording of classical chamber music.
I have studied how Hauptwerk divides the audio on version 4 and the
current version 7.
I am currently dividing soundfonts to reflect the C/C# split in pipe chests.
I am working with 4 stereo pairs. So the end result will be either
Principals C/C#, Flutes-Reeds C/C# or Great separated from Swell etc.
So far I am quite satisfied with the sound vs Hauptwerk.
I have also tested 5 different USB sound cards (soundblaster) M-Audio
Firewire and the PreSonus FireStudio Project. The FireStudio wins hands
down... not a surprise as it cost more that all the others combined.
Two USB cards are favored. The old SB0490 SoundBlaster USB. (Dolby 5.1
3 stereo pairs. Sampling rate restrictions.) And the newer SB1810... 4
stereo pairs.
In the simplest terms with 3 stereo pairs... dividing stops out on the
Great and then a separate Swell works very nicely.
You will need to learn how to use Jack Audio connection kit or equivalent.
That's my 2 cents worth. (Actually about all my sense.)
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From Kevin J King on 2023-01-25 18:50
OK, thanks very much. I'm just using the internal sound card on the Surface,
it's OK with Hauptwerk but obviously I appreciate it can be improved upon.
I'll look to getting a usb sound card as suggested.
What I like about jOrgan is the fact I can load a large instrument without
running out of memory. On Hauptwerk I'm forever deciding which ranks I can
do without, especially on a cathedral sized organ, to get it to load. And
often those strings are the attraction in the first place.
Thanks again for excellent support with regards to jOrgan.
Kevin_______________________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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From Arun herberts on 2023-01-24 04:20
Hi,
I connected three same model Midi keyboards for great, swell and pedal
but only one keyboard is showing up in the mIdi input selection drop down.
Could anybody help me?
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-01-24 05:23
Hi Arun...
Under View/Configuration/Midi you could try "Enumerate devices" and see if
that helps. You will have to reset any devices already set.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-01-24 06:00
I am thinking of doing the same thing. The MIDI channel number is the same
on all three. (cheap junk). They are USB MIDI out and I do not know if
USB will sort this out. I have one and it works fine.
If you want to get started cheap to begin with and it will work this may do it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144463955801?hash=item21a2b90759:g:7tQAAOSwcGhiMY0u&amdata
=enc%3AAQAHAAABAMffcb%2F999AJkalDxvbjbyNuvaVOfvFn1Yo05sLaI15JM%2Fu8wlwo%2F4Kxik77a
AAl037jNOKAx1b53SzvbNmJa%2BIV4wAvqzvj3pbTkm%2FEvsiar7fAixHLz14vIoIN88xUSLUNyrexwwO6
sV95fWJjTZtBRnIq7uniPUfJwuV0lI6td9o99JLQGPbDhvHWuOBTKPZrOVB8bNV8kIAGpVRUyilRtVsDAj
PZXwSrkrspqkMAXuZ%2FhhPjyfMSRLEk%2F3dNlVL%2FV6R3Pr%2BWlhddWw8XimK5boH1d3ZCVK9hLgYsU
6dqs2p9GLU5Z%2BB89aQve1oaHoiwztoDDplNI1NuvjlMhfM%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6TA4_-7YQ
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-01-24 08:56
Hi Freeman...
You might not have a problem if you can select different midi devices in
jOrgan. They can all transmit on the same channel if it comes from a
different device with the enumerator.
Good Luck
Marc-Paul
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-01-24 09:40
Paul
"Devices" Swell, Great, Choir? I do not have 3 keyboards of the same kind
and on the same channel. The one I have is the one from ebay, one channel
USB out. The others would be on the same channel. How would jOrgan handle
this? I think each would be assigned a different USB number by the computer.
So, would you have to do a keyboard setup each time by turning one on at a
time? (Assuming that it will work)
Thank you, ƒg
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From RickW on 2023-01-24 17:10
Hello Arun
Yes, jOrgan has a solution for this issue.
Open jOrgan (don't need to have a disposition open)
Go to, View - Configuration - MIDI, check "Enumerate devices"
Restart jOrgan
This fix was created after I think Windows 8, where a new generic MIDI
Driver was introduced by Windows that doesn't differentiate the name of
multiple MIDI devices using the generic MIDI driver.
Once this is done, you will see each individual device. You will just need
to physically test each one to find the correct Division it needs to be
allocated to based on your physical layout.
Also once this is done, because each keyboard is a separate MIDI (USB)
Device, there is no problem for each to transmit on default Channel 1.
(It is only old 5 pin DIN plug MIDI devices all routed through one MIDI
Interface that need to be allocated different MIDI addresses.
Regards
Rick
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From RickW on 2023-01-24 17:19
There is a simple setting in jOrgan which once set, solves this problem.
Open jOrgan (no need to have a disposition open)
Go to; View - Configuration - MIDI, check "Enumerate devices"
Restart jOrgan
Each MIDI Device available will show up with a # and a unique number.
Any previously hidden identical named devices will now show up.
I actually personally think this should be default to ticked on.
How many people get stuck with this and don't go to the trouble of joining
the mailing list to ask for help?
This issue has been around for about 10 years now. I think it was with
the introduction of Windows 8 where a new generic Windows MIDI driver was
introduced that doesn't show unique device names.
Regards
Rick
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From Arun herberts on 2023-01-24 18:09
Thank you Marc and Rick for your swift response. All three manuals started working.
Regards,
Arun.
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From RickW on 2023-01-24 19:54_______________
Thanks for the follow-up.
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-01-26 13:29
Rick:
I am building two organs, one with my grandson. All the stuff is at his
place so I cannot look to see that # number at this time. I only have
one of the keyboards and plan to buy four more if this will work.
I have a question about the number. How is this # number assigned?
Is this number assigned by the operating system, the polling number (address)
for USB port? If so it will be different each time the OS is turned on
(is my understanding). This would require keeping everything turned on,
or set up each time in use.
What is troubling to me, three identical keypads with the same default
channel hooked to the same USB hub could each appear as individual USB devices.
Thank you, ƒg
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From JohnR on 2023-01-26 14:50
On 2023-01-26 13:29, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
“Rick:
What is troubling to me, three identical keypads with the same default
chanel hooked to the
same USB hub could each appear as individual USB devices.”
Hi Freeman,
Rick has written a tutorial which will answer some of your questions.
There is a link to it on this page in the jOrgan Infobase:
https://jorgan.info/base/e/Enumerate.html
I have posted this to save Rick from going through some of the information
found there.
Best wishes,
JohnR
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From RickW on 2023-01-26 16:59
Thanks John
Yes, that document really does cover everything.
Hi Freeman
Yes, along with the "Enumerate" function, is the option to "Cache devices".
This does take care of your concern.
If you read the document that John has linked, it will go into the full detail.
But in a nutshell, it is important to always plug USB devices into the same USB
Port (or Hub position) as when they were originally configured.
This is not a jOrgan issue, this is to do with how Windows handles USB devices.
Yes, it will work. Please be careful to keep things in the same ports, and
have everything powered up and recognised by Windows before opening jOrgan.
Regards
Rick
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Fluidsynth Mapping of Ranks and Presets in Soundfonts
From Ken Knollman on 2023-01-26 07:15
Hi, all.
I have been trying to understand how Fluidsynth maps ranks to Soundfont
Presets. To do this, I have created a new disposition using the Klop
soundfont, comparing results from my new disposition with the Klop
disposition. I have followed GrahamG's " Building a Custom jOrgan
Fluidsynth Disposition" from the jOrgan Tutorials page. With the exception
of creating a graphical console, I have followed all of the steps for
importing all of the ranks from the Klop soundfont file, set up the
Fluidsynth Sound element, set up 3 virtual keyboards and assigned all
stops accordingly. I have set up the properties on the Fluidsynth Sound
element to be identical to those found in the actual Klop disposition.
Opening the soundfont in Polyphone, I see there are 3 banks of presets,
one for each division with 6 to 10 presets per bank. What I am experiencing
is that Fluidsynth is not recognizing the banks in the soundfont.
Everything seems to default to bank 0. What I am seeing when importing
the soundfont into jOrgan is the preset names, but no references to the
banks or preset numbers. When I select a stop from either bank 1 or bank
2, what I am hearing is the rank from the bank 0 preset.
I have examined and compared what I believe are all the relevant elements
and properties between the Klop disposition and the simple one I have created,
and other than the fact that the names of the ranks and stops in the Klop
disposition have been changed from what has been imported from the soundfont,
I can find no explanation for this issue. I have changed some of the names
in my disposition as well, but to no avail.
I would appreciate if someone can explain what I am missing. Thanks.
Ken Knollman
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From JohnR on 2023-01-26 08:27
Hi Ken,
The answer is simple, as you have probably expected.
What you need to do in Construct mode is to bring up the Messages View
and select each rank, one at a time. On the 3rd line of the Messages for
a selected rank, you will see "Engaged set 192, set x", where is x is
actually the preset number as designated in the soundfont. This can be
altered by the user.
The second line ends with "set 0, set 0". I think that the second "0"
indicates "Bank 0" (which some people would call Bank 1). I am a bit vague
on this, as I have never had to alter it. I think I have read that
Fluidsynth is set up to use this bank only, but someone more in the know
may like to comment.
Best wishes,
JohnR
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From Ken Knollman on 2023-01-26 09:08
Hi, John.
So, the third "set" term in the second "Engaged" line appears to select the bank.
The preset number in the third "Engaged" line already appears to be set in all ranks.
Thanks!
Ken Knollman
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From Sven Meier on 2023-01-27 10:46
Hi Ken,
jOrgan ignores all bank information when importing a Soundfont. You can
specify an bank number explicitly, but this is applied to presets in the
Soundfont.
You will have to add bank select messages to each Rank element. Check the
"messages" tab in jOrgan and compare its contents between your disposition
and the Klop one.
Best regards
Sven
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From Ken Knollman on 2023-01-27 12:06_________
Hi, Sven.
John Reimer has filled me in on setting the bank select in the message for
the rank. I understand now.
I have another question - about the Memory element. Is there a way to
execute a save on the xx.memory file independent of saving it with the
disposition file using the Executor element? I ask because I would like
to save the combinations every time I perform a Captor (Set Combination)
operation.
Thanks!
Ken Knollman
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From Sven Meier on 2023-01-28 10:07
Hi,
>John Reimer has filled me in on setting the bank select in the message for the rank.
great! Could you give me the link to the soundfont you're using? I would like to try
whether we can take the bank number into account in the future.
>Is there a way to execute a save on the xx.memory file independent of saving it with
the disposition file using the Executor element?
No, this is not supported.
Best regards
Sven
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From Ken Knollman on 2023-01-28 12:37
Hi, Sven.
The soundfont I refer to in this thread can be found on Dries Neleman's site
www.nelemans.org referenced off of jorgan.info.
Would you also consider looking into adding a property to the Executor element
which would allow it to execute a save on the xx.memory file only?
Thanks!
Ken Knollman
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From Sven Meier on 2023-02-01 08:23
Hi Ken,
just save the disposition on shut-down, you'll find the setting in jOrgan's
configuration.
Best regards
Sven__________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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Improving reverb jOrgan and Windows 11
From Kevin J King on 2023-01-28 22:39
Hi everyone,
After buying a usb soundcard/mixer and attempting to try to get jOrgan to play nicely
with a VST, and failing miserably, I discovered some simple software called DeskFX.
An evaluation program seems to greatly help things. I haven't delved around too much with
the settings. I loaded a midi file in jOrgan, started to play it, went to deskFX and hit
the Reverb tab, and instantly there was an improvement in the 3D aspect of the organ.
I'll keep testing it today.
Regards
Kevin
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From JohnR on 2023-01-30 07:03
On 2023-01-28 22:39, Kevin J King wrote: "(I) hit the Reverb tab, and instantly there
was an improvement in the 3D aspect of the organ."
Kevin,
Most jOrgan dispositions use mono samples and not stereo samples, and this means half
the size of the soundfont to begin with. But that does not mean that jOrgan fails to
deliver some kind of 3D effect. The soundfont protocol allows the creator to "place"
individual sounds anywhere - left to right - within the space between the stereo
loudspeakers. This can mimic what one hears when playing an organ while close to the
pipes. It is less evident when one is some distance away, especially if there is a
lot of reverberation in the listening space.
When using a jOrgan disposition, if the reverb is set at too high a level, then the 3D
effect will be diminished. This is especially the case, if the reverb being produced
is mono and not stereo. It is not easy to compare one situation with another, in view of
the number of variables involved.
I have a friend who had a Hauptwerk-type program which he used a lot, but also a jOrgan
installation which he used sometimes (he was particularly keen on the particular
sample-set). He said to me once that jOrgan gave a better sense of the "left to right"
placement of the notes. But this opinion should be taken as applying simply to that one
situation, with the particular reverb being used, whether in the samples themselves
(as in HW and GO), or in the jOrgan reverb settings.
Best wishes,
JohnR__________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-02-01 15:59
Does anyone know of a C program to scan a keyboard for MIDI out through USB? Looking for it for an ARM microcontroller (preferably STM32) Velocity sensitive would be nice, but not necessary.
Thank you, ƒg
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From Mickey Sadler on 2023-02-02 05:19
Take a look a MIDIbox at http://www.ucapps.de/ . MIOS Studio might have the ability you are looking for, or may help point you in the right direction .
Also look at MIDIO128 if you are midifying a keyboard or organ. All the software and hardware design are free for personal non-commercial use.
Mickey
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jOrgan disposition-proprietary MIDI file to Music XML conversion
From John Beach on 2023-02-01 13:10
Could the recorded content of a jOrgan disposition-proprietary .mid file (produced
by the recorder) be converted and saved as a music XML file?
I am just curious and not suggesting that this capability should be a project for a
future version of jOrgan. The capability of saving and exporting music to an XML
file, apparently, makes the exchange and usage of these in many different
applications more feasible. I have never seen or used such an application, although
I think Musescore, Sibelius and Finale have some of that ability.
John Beach
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-01 16:36
JohnB…
…just as an interesting trial… I took a demo midi file recorded in jOrgan
and put it into MuseScore and exported it as an .mxl.
I am curious as to what your end idea is. A particular piece of software?
Thanks
Marc-Paul
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From Julie Porter on 2023-02-01 16:49
John Beach wrote:
> Could the recorded content of a jOrgan disposition-proprietary .mid file (produced
by the recorder) be converted and saved as a music XML file?
Short answer is yes. (qualified.)
Last June I gave a talk in Bern, Switzerland at the "Second global piano roll
meeting." My talk was on the use of postscript in the scanning and playback of
piano rolls. I used jOrgan as a way to play back the data processed by postscript.
I have not fully implemented Music XML. This is one way to go from a MIDI
performance to a 'Non playable.' score as there needs to be a lot of quantization
and editing to make the results Human readable. I think the smart score OCR
program I got decades ago can do music XML.
This has also lead to some ideas about other ways postscript can be used as a
scripting language for both Audio and MIDI recordings. I already have a parser
that can render a soundfont which is basically audio loops. Postscript has some
fairly sophisticated parsing capabilities, as it was designed to parse and render
any page description.
While XML is not native to Postscript, the internal storage is a Key Value,
Observer model. So it is easy to load and store the XML database. I have
quite a number of scripts that can build a disposition from the definition files
such as Uniflex. I can also take the recordings and transfer them from one
organ to another mapping the text messages jOrgan saves in the MIDI stream.
During the pandemic I was able to transcribe some of the Wurlitzer 'R' Residence
rolls, so they could play on the jOrgan emulator, and on the pipes. The
resulting output is in the native format. I also have access to a collection
of Allen floppy disks, jOrgan is a great way to see what the recordings on
these are. Allen disks are a bit tricky as they often do not store the stop
changes. Just the piston presses are recorded. I finally did get the format
of the Allen combination memory files. Other projects have taken priority.
There is another notation which has been around forever called 'ABC music
notation.' I used to follow the yahoo eGroup, but all that went away and I do
not have a facebook account. There are ways to go from ABC to music XML. So it
would be a matter of creating the front and back end to the scripts I already have.
This is more of a solution looking for a problem.
I have sort of drifted away from jOrgan as two of the consoles I work with (one
is here at home) use Hauptwerk and the Paramount 320. So jOrgan has become more
of a trampoline. Eventually the plan is to generate custom Hauptwerk variations.
For now I can simply output the MIDI in one format or the other.
The other thing to consider is a lot of artists do not like their stuff shared.
Performances intended for something like an Allen electronic, do not always sound
well when played on pipes. The sounds do not really blend the same way.
I suspect that with so called AI systems, that there are probably score generators
now that can produce 'music in the style of.' Given what can be done with
paintings and term paper reports. The same sorts of data extraction can probably
create compositions as well. Supposedly Mozart created a musical dice game. Or
as Sir Arthur Sullivan stated when accused of borrowing from others, that he was
working with the same 12 notes that the other composer used.
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-02-02 00:35
MidiZyx2abc
... is a program from Alexander Scheutzow which converts midi to abc and will work
with multi-part scores and lyrics. It is written in Java so should run on any
platform in principle.
ModPlug XMMS
... is abc plugin for XMMS under linux. Peter Grootswagers recommends libmodplug
which can be obtained from the CVS tree.
Mozart
... is fully featured music notation software from David Webber which can import
and export abc.
music21
... is a set of tools for helping scholars and other active listeners answer
questions about music quickly and simply. It can read abc, display music (via
MusicXML), play MIDI sound and transpose, as well as offering many other utilities.
MusiCAD
... is a fully featured score editor from Musys Software which can import and
export abc. Although MusiCAD is not freeware, it's use with abc does not require
payment.
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From Mickey Sadler on 2023-02-02 05:35______
The Yahoo abcnotation eGroup has been moved to https://groups.io/g/abcusers .
The abcnotation home is at https://abcnotation.com/ , There his a facebook page
for abc notation too if you are interested.
abc is a great way to share music as a text file that can be read and rendered
as sheet music resulting in a smaller file than sending a .pdf of the sheet music.
Mickey__________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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From lemontquidomine on 2023-02-06 03:21
Hello Marc-Paul
In June 2022 you solved my problem to install jOrgan on a MacBook Pro with OS 10.15
(Catalina).
Today, I'm trying to install jOrgan on a MacBook Air (11" mid 2013) with OS 11.7.3
(Big Sur), a light and practical computer for a mobile system.
I can't do it. I tried the same procedure as in June but the fs2 files are not
recognized by jOrgan.
Do you still have a good solution?
Thanks in advance,
Cordially,
Dominique
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-06 05:56
Greetings Dominique
...I have run jOrgan in Big Sur OS 11.
I am not sure if Fluidsynth 2 will work except with Qsynth. I don't believe
there is any "backend" for Fluidsynth 2.
I will check that out this afternoon. But I believe you would have to use Qsynth
for the soundfont(s). jOrgan works quite well that way... but it does require some
setup.
Are you using your own soundfont or one of the dispositions that I could download.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From lemontquidomine on 2023-02-06 06:20
Hello Marc-Paul
You are wonderful and it is really very kind to answer so quickly.
For the soundfont(s) they are not mine. I use those from Stratmann, as well as Stiehr-
Mockers. Very classic!
If you can tell me which file to use and where to put it that would be great.
A big thank-you !
Dominique
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From JohnR on 2023-02-06 06:49
On 2023-02-06 05:56, Marc-Paul via jOrgan-user wrote:"I believe you would have to
use Qsynth for the soundfont(s). jOrgan works quite well that way...
but it does require some setup."
Marc-Paul,
Before you get Dominique having success using the Qsynth solution, it would probably
be better to discover what exactly is the jOrgan problem. Indeed, that may be exactly
what you intend to do. The problem may be nothing more than failing to load the
soundfont into Fluidsynth because of some path irregularity.
I don't wish to criticize the use of Qsynth. At the moment my Raspberry Pi 4 desktop
is not allowing me a standard use of jOrgan. I have no idea why, but I can't afford
to spend more time on it. So I am using your Qsynth solution with great success!
Best wishes,
JohnR
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-06 07:12
Greetings JohnR...
...he said fs2, which I took to mean
Fluidsynth 2. You are correct that if he is using jOrgan as installed with
the mac jOrgan app... there is another problem.
I am running the new install of jOrgan 64 on my RPi with no problems. I did
do a separate install of the 64 bit OS... and then put it on a SSD. Sven
had done us a GREAT update with this version. It's SUPER.
The Ubuntu Studio version of jOrgan also is SUPER! No problems... great
sound.
Glad to hear your system is working.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From lemontquidomine on 2023-02-06 07:23
Hello Marc-Paul and JohnR,
Hello An error in my message:
I meant that jOrgan doesn't recognize files like "SilbermannOrgel_6.0.sf2 ».
"sf2" and not "FS2 »!
With my all apologies.
Is it easier to understand?
Thanks !
Dominique
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From lemontquidomine on 2023-02-06 09:32
Hello
I believe that the problem comes from the version of Java.
The xxxx.disposition files cannot find Java (which is installed correctly).
Should I find an older version of Java?
So it's not the sf2 file problem.
Should I downgrade to an older version of OS (Sierra).
What to do ?
Thanks for the help.
Dominique
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-06 10:51
Hi Dominique...
...I am doing a new install of OS XI (11) Big Sur and
will install jOrgan from scratch and see what happens.
And let you know as soon as I am done.
As far as Mac OS X is concerned... my choice is OS X Mojave 10.14. You can run
jOrgan with Fluidsynth or jOrgan with Qsynth which has Fluidsynth 2.
But you can do the same in Big Sur.
So really you have a lot of good choices.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-06 16:05
Hi Dominique...
See if this helps:
Mac OS XI Big Sur
Install Java 1.8 from download. Check System Preferences for Java Icon.
Download jOrgan 3.21.1 dmg
Open the dmg by double clicking and copy the 4 files.
Make a folder in "Public" like jOrgan. Paste the 4 files into the folder.
Double-click jOrgan.jar and select Open.
In "Security and Privacy" select Open jOrgan anyway. jOrgan will open.
jOrgan File/Open and navigate to Public/jOrgan folder/fluidsynth-example.disposition
and click Open.
The error file will say something like libfluidsynthJNI.dylib cannot be opened etc.
Hit Cancel.
Customize No.
Exit jOrgan.
in jOrgan/lib find the mentioned file and RIGHT CLICK it. Select "Open".
Do the same for all .dylib files.
The disposition will open. Click "Construct"
Highlight "fluidsynth sound" then drop down to Audio driver and select "coreaudio".
Just above that in "Audio device" select what your are using in the drop down.
Drop down to "Gain" and increase it to 1. (reduce if level to loud.)
Save changes and exit construct.
Select Stop 0 & 1 and play the Keyboard with your mouse... you should hear sound.
Check for other errors. If you don't hear sound check the path to the soundfont
in fluidsynth at the very bottom.
This produced sound for me from jOrgan the first time. I will download the
Stiehr-Mockers 2 and test it also.
Please let me know what else you need assistance with. I am happy to help.
Best of Luck!!!!
Marc-Paul
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From JohnR on 2023-02-06 16:34
On 2023-02-06 16:05, Marc-Paul wrote:
"If you don't hear sound check the path to the
soundfont in fluidsynth at the very bottom."
Hi Dominique,
It's a good rule to try a simple remedy before trying a more difficult one.
I suggest that you try what Marc-Paul is saying there, but to do it with your
present set-up. The process is described in greater detail in my
INSTRUCTIONS.pdf which you can access via the STARTING page of the jORGAN
DISCOVERY website ( https://jorgan.info ). Look for it under the heading,
"WHAT IF THEY DON'T WORK?" . The paragraph assumes that you are in Construct
Mode. It is on p.2 of the pdf, with the heading, "No soundfont loaded?" .
By the way, if jOrgan is running for you, even without sound, it is unlikely
that the problem is with Java.
Best wishes,
JohnR
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From JohnR on 2023-02-06 17:24
On 2023-02-06 16:34, JohnR wrote:
"By the way, if jOrgan is running for you, even without sound, it is unlikely
that the problem is with Java."
Hi Dominique,
I am very sorry, but please ignore that statement. It is wrong. Some versions
of Java will not work with some versions of jOrgan. You need to discover which
version of Java your OSX has installed, and choose the correct version of
jOrgan to work with it. (If you find that it has Java Version 6, it may be a
good idea to uninstall it and install Java Version 8 instead. Marc-Paul can
advise you on this.)
You will find the details in the "DOWNLOADING AND INSTALLING" section of the
STARTING page of the jORGAN DISCOVERY website.
Best wishes,
JohnR
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From lemontquidomine on 2023-02-08 03:30
Hi Marc-Paul and JohnR
Old systems are good !
I ended up removing Big Sur from my MacBook Air (2013) and I installed OS version
10.13 (High Sierra), manipulation which is not very easy but possible with patience…
I downloaded Java 6 SE.
jOrgan works perfectly.
Thank you for your advice and for taking the time to respond to my messages.
I wish you beautiful and good music.
Dominique
Le 6 févr. 2023 à 07:24, JohnR a écrit :
“On 2023-02-06 16:34, JohnR wrote:
'By the way, if jOrgan is running for you, even without sound, it is unlikely
that the problem is with Java.'
Hi Dominique,
I am very sorry, but please ignore that statement. It is wrong ... "
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-08 05:29
Simply for future reference:
Mac OS 11 Big Sur works perfectly for jOrgan with my installation procedure.
I downloaded several dispostions and they all work fine with the current version of Java.
Happy Organizing.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From JohnR on 2023-02-08 15:03
Hi Dominique,
That's very good news!
However, we need to discover why it didn't work with Mac OS 11 Big Sur. Which
version of jOrgan are you using?
Marc-Paul wrote on 2023-02-08 05:29 -
"Mac OS 11 Big Sur works perfectly for jOrgan with my installation procedure."
Hi Marc-Paul,
I assume you are using jOrgan in the common fashion, and not with Qsynth. Which
versions of jOrgan and Java are you using?
Best wishes,
JohnR
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-08 15:54_________
JohnR...
...I have tested jOrgan in all Mac OS X thru XIII. It works
in all with the version of Java that is designed to run in them. Version 6
works up OS X Mojave and after that its whatever is on the Java website.
1.8 I believe.
Installs on Mac OS X are not for the faint of heart. There are issues...
but they only have to be solved once and then jOrgan works well. Qsynth
does not work with all versions of Mac OS.
I use jOrgan on Mac, PC, Ubuntu and RPi every day.
I am currently working on multi-channel audio on the Mac... which is quite a
trick... but I am getting there.
I installed OS 12 Big Sur from scratch on an Intel Mac to see if my
procedure... which has been outlined previously... works. And it works
perfectly.
And people say there are a lot of problems with Windows... guess again.
Cheers
Marc-Paul________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-02-21 16:09
I have two M-Audio MIDIMAN which have a USB output. The user's manual says that
this is used for the computer. Does anyone have experience with using this on
Raspberry pi?
Thank you, ƒg
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-22 02:41
Greetings:
Mine is a M-Audio MidiSport (works with Mac also.) and it works fine. My
experience with interfaces is that I simply plug them in while connected to
the internet... and if they work, they work. If they don't, they don't.
JohnR is most likely the best source of information.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From JohnR on 2023-02-23 08:07
Freeman,
I do not have a Midisport, but the maker's website gave me adequate details.
It was released about ten years ago, and is a good quality MIDI to USB interface,
with a merge MIDI feature which can be used with its USB output, or (I assume)
independently of it, by means of one of the MIDI output sockets. I have no reason
to think that it cannot be used with one of the RPi USB ports.
The merge feature probably requires two MIDI streams to be on differing channels.
Some MIDi encoders allow the user to set the MIDI channels to whatever is needed.
Best wishes,
JohnR
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-02-23 09:27
John:
I have two M-Audio Midimam keyboards, they both work on windows with MIDI out through
USB but not on RP. I have a M-Audio Oxygen keyboards, it works fine on the
jOrgan/RP with MIDI out through USB.
Thank you, ƒg
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-23 11:21
There are to many Midiman keyboards listed to look up the specs... could
you find a model # so we can be sure what you have.
Thanks
Marc-Paul
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-02-23 23:44
M-Audio MIDIMAN Radon; no model number
USB works on windows, not on RP. And MIDI out works on windows, did not try on RP.
Thank you, ƒg
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From Marc-Paul on 2023-02-24 03:37 +6
I will assume that you have a M-Audio MIDIMAN Radium 49 or 61.
Couple things: The closest thing I have to test is a M-Audio O2 and a Hammer88.
Drivers for your keyboards do not include Linux or anything in MacOS past 32bit.
When I tested my two M-Audio keyboards directly in the RPi (64bit) they both worked
in jOrgan. HOWEVER when the power adapter for the USB (powered) hub accidently fell
out of the wall... the keyboards quit working. So the lesson here is that the RPi
may not have sufficient USB power for your keyboards. I could be wrong of course...
you may have power adapters on your keyboards.
(I network my midi keying... so I don't plug directly into the RPi normally.
I am testing Bluetooth midi interfaces... but have yet to get one working on
the RPi. Mac and PC work fine with Bluetooth... but the setup is different.)
I don't know if any of this will help you.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-02-24 07:44_____
Marc-Paul:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 Marc-Paul wrote:
"I will assume that you have a M-Audio MIDIMAN Radium 49 or 61."
Yes, 61.
"Couple things: The closest thing I have to test is a M-Audio O2 and a Hammer88."
My O2 works also.
"Drivers for your keyboards do not include Linux or anything in MacOS past 32bit."
So I understand: The drivers for my Midiman are not in the RP? Or are the drivers
not in the Midiman keyboard?
"When I tested my two M-Audio keyboards directly in the RPi (64bit) they both worked
in jOrgan. HOWEVER when the power adapter for the USB (powered) hub accidently
fell out of the wall... the keyboards quit working. So the lesson here is that
the RPi may not have sufficient USB power for your keyboards. I could be wrong
of course... you may have power adapters on your keyboards."
I believe a good powered usb hub does not share power with the RP. In the past
I had one that could be used either way.
Not sure that I used the external power for the keyboards. I will check again
tomorrow evening. They are at another location and there is too much ice to travel
now.
"(I network my midi keying... so I don't plug directly into the RPi normally.
I am testing Bluetooth midi interfaces... but have yet to get one working on the
RPi. Mac and PC work fine with Bluetooth... but the setup is different.)
I don't know if any of this will help you."
Thank you, ƒg________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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From Brian Sweetnam on 2023-02-22 22:43
Hi. Sorry, I don't know where to find the forum anymore. Will somebody please
send me the address for the j-organ forum?
Regards,
Brian.
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From Freeman Gilmore on 2023-02-23 00:18
Third line down
jOrgan-user mailing list
jOrgan-user@ ...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user <==========
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From JohnR on 2023-02-23 06:48______
Hi Brian,
The Nabble Forum was in trouble for some years financially, and we lost its
services 18 months ago. That leaves the Mailing List on its own. In an attempt
to make up for this, I manage the Archive Link, which is read-only, and which
is done manually by me. Here is the link:
https://jorgan.info/link.html
There is an archive of the Mailing List posts, but it is not very user-friendly.
I assume what I provide is a useful service, however there is never any feedback
to tell me if anyone does make use of it.
Best wishes,
JohnR____________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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Using a tablet as a touchscreen monitor
From Graham Wykes on 2023-03-01 19:49
Hi all,
I've been testing some software that lets you use a tablet as a touchscreen
monitor. If you have a spare tablet lying around, you might try this. (I
wouldn't go out and buy a NEW tablet - you can buy an actual touchscreen
monitor for less.)
I only have a 2016 model 7" tablet which is really too small for the job but
I will mount it in the console anyway.
The software is called Weylus and has versions for Mac, Win and Linux.
It works by creating a webserver which serves up a web page on the local
network (WiFi or hotspot) showing either your desktop or a window of your
choice. On your tablet, you open your web browser and go to the local
URL that Weylus gives you. Weylus intercepts your touches and treats them
the same as mouse clicks.
Works Great!
Cheers
GrahamW
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From Kevin J King on 2023-03-01 19:59______
Thanks Graham,
That's useful to know. I've got several ancient android tablets, I wonder if
I can get this to work on them?
Regards
Kevin_____________MOST RECENT POST IN THE THREAD
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From Brian Sweetnam on 2023-03-07 05:04
Hi all,
I have lost all my previous work on jOrgan. Not that I was an expert but I did use
it and love using it.
I want to integrate the following equipment, so that I can spend my time playing more
and have fewer frustrations with little buttons on the various keyboards.
I have various modern keyboards, all equipped with midi over USB. They also have too
many built in rhythms to choose from when I play. I grew up with a Yamaha organ,
which only had 14 or 16 rhythms for me to use to play all my music that required the
rhythm machine. About 2 weeks ago I bought a 32 year old Technics organ that is
equipped with midi, and it has PCM sound generating technology built in - which I
have always loved.
The equipment I want to use is as follows:
1. Technics SX-EN2 spinet organ which has midi built in. I want to use it as the main
control element for my project. It is only a monophonic instrument but it still it
does sound beautiful to me. As it was built in about 1992 it only has midi in, midi
out, and midi through.
2. Another old instrument - a Yamaha MU-15 GM/XG tone generator sound module. It has
midi in and midi out. At least it is stereo and sound even more beautiful than the
Technics organ.
3. I have a lonesome 49 key midi controller keyboard that has the same key pitch
as the Technics organ (which is the same key pitch as Hammond organs). I mention
this, because my Korg and Yamaha keyboards all have narrower keys and it looks
awkward mixing keyboards with these different key pitch measurements.
4. If I can get the Technics organ and the midi controller keyboard to control the
sound module built into the Technics organ, and the Yamaha MU-15 tone generator
module, I might consider adding control for my Korg PA-300 keyboard.
5. A couple of sound-fonts that I love of choir voices, and some synth sounds.
I did once manage to control my Yamaha PSR-295 keyboard using a computer and jOrgan
running on it, with a touch screen - this is exactly what I have in mind again.
If anybody has a disposition that I can study to try and figure it all out, it would
be very helpful. Or perhaps a simple diagram of which element I need to use in
jOrgan, and how they would "connect" to each other. If I can just get as single stop
to work, I know I can get them all to work - I just don't know where to start. I do
have all the midi implementation charts for all my instruments, so I have all that
information I need to enter in jOrgan, for example, to select a "Grand Piano" which
is located in the Yamaha MU-15 or perhaps the "Strings" which might be located in the
Technics organ, or even the "Violin" which might be located in the Korg PA-300.
I would really prefer to get this project working with my Latte Panda single board
computer which is running Windows10 on it. It has 3 USB ports, and I need one port
for my 2X2 midi interface to USB card, one port for the wireless keyboard & mouse,
and the last port for a USB hub, into which I can plug in my Korg PA-300 keyboard if
I choose to make it part of the project. I will also need to plug in a USB sound-card
as I think the sound quality on the Latte Panda computer is not that great.
Please, if anybody will draw a simple diagram of the layout I need to create, I will
really appreciate it very much.
I hope this message reaches the jOrgan list, as I am really not sure how things work
without the Nabble forum.
Kind regards,
Brian Sweetnam.
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From Tony Gleeson on 2023-03-11 00:53
Hello again,
So I've got MIDI hooked up to Studio One via loopMIDI.
I can record and playback with no problems.
I would like to know how to change parameters (I.e. organ stops) mid tune.
At the moment the recording just stops if I try to change anything on jOrgan.
I'm hoping to be able to change the stops during the hymn as an organist would
to vary the sound for each verse of a hymn.
Any suggestions?
Many thanks,
Tony
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From RickW on 2023-03-11 09:39
Hello Tony
This is definitely possible. I have it all functioning, but came at it from a
different direction to you.
I have used jOrgan to replicate a real Pipe organ console that has a MIDI record/
replay sequencer. I have been able able to address the "Messages" setting for each
Stop in jOrgan Construct Mode with Activate and Deactivate messages to respond to
the Stop change messages encoded in the pipe organ console system.
You have a free slate and can choose to use whatever messages make sense to you.
I had to map my setup to respond to messages already in a structure.
If I were in your situation, I would simply use Note On / Note Off messages on a
different Channel to any of your keyboards.
You will need to make a list of all stops and tabs you want to control
Then list a Channel and Note number unique for each
Then in jOrgan Construct Mode, make Messages visible in View
Highlight a Stop, create an Activate message and a Deactivate message
Enter the MIDI addressing from your list
You will also need to make sure your jOrgan disposition has a Connector Element and
that each Stop and tab is Referenced to the Connector
And that the Connector is configured to see your LoopMIDI port.
Once all done, you will be able to use your list to put Messages in your external
MIDI file relating to combinations at the time points in your music.
This is probably a lot to take in. Feel free to come back with questions.
Regards
Rick
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From RickW on 2023-03-11 09:52
Hi again Tony
There is a different way you can do this if my first suggestion seems too much work.
This is possibly easier but also leaves more variables that need to be setup correctly
before playing a file.
From your external MIDI stream, you can send messages to activate Pistons, but this
assumes you have the correct combination memory set before playing a file.
You could use this method to play a file into jOrgan and use the jOrgan recorder to
record your "performance", then use the the jOrgan replay to replay the file that would
have all the stop changes and Swell control locked in.
Regards
Rick
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From Ton- Gle on 2023-03-11 21:56
Hi Rick,
I think I'm about to go on a very big learning curve here. I've had some experience
with midi having used an old Kawai sequencer linked to a Yamaha SY 55. A lot of
trial and error but was able to make patch changes and some automation.
My first problem is that my DAW is receiving and sending midi and I can hear the
organ play but I can't seem to record / route the audio.....
My first idea was to record each verse as an audio wave so each one could have a
different sound and then spice them together to make the whole hymn. But I just
can't seem to get my DAW to 'hear' the jOrgan.
I even tried to plug the headphones into my usb audio interface but got lots of
feedback.
If I could solve this problem I could at least have a workaround and then look into
becoming more adept at doing it properly as you have explained.
Thanks for the advice...really appreciate it!
Kind regards,
Tony
Kind regards,
Tony Gleeson
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From Ton- Gle on 2023-03-12 02:32
Hi Rick,
Yes I noticed the jOrgan had a recorder but haven't used it yet so maybe that's
another potential solution I can try.
Just for the sake of speed I have recorded what I need using the Strand Organ I
found on the Apple App Store. It's a lovely sample if you haven't heard it. I
hooked up via a midi in/out cable and sent the audio from the headphones socket
to the input of my interface and it sound good enough for now. I was able to
change stops for each verse and record each one as an audio file, then changed
the settings and recorded the next one.
Not a perfect solution but it worked.
I'm going to try tinker with jOrgan tomorrow...I'll let you know how I get on.
Kind regards,
Tony______MOST RECENT POST ON THE THREAD
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MAC OS Ventura (13) Java Install for jOrgan
From Marc-Paul on 2023-03-21 08:45_______NEWEST POST
Greetings:
Since Ventura is out of Beta I decided to do a clean install of the OS on a M1
“silicone” and then install Java and jOrgan 3211 for MAC. The Thunderbolt 3
interface is so good that any OS, including Ventura can be booted externally.
I am using an NVME external Thunderbolt drive.
There are a few “hoops” to jump thru that are different than earlier MAC OS’s.
Download Java from Oracle.
Allow installation of Rosetta if not already installed.
System Settings/Privacy&Security/Full Disk Access (enable)
System Settings/General/Login Items (enable Java)*
The above two steps may require a setting change on the Boot Up Screen accessed
by holding in the power button. Then Options/Utilities/Startup Security Utility/
then select the correct Disk, then select Security Policy, then select Reduced
Security. Ok then shut down.
I install jOrgan in the Public folder and it works fine.
Remember that any changes in the disposition need to be saved in construct mode
and then exit and restart jOrgan.
Cheers
Marc-Paul
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